Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
King Dedede wants to stop Mii Gunner’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 with Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), OOS Uair (13f), and OOS Fair (16f), then force Mii Gunner back outside Neutral Air and Forward Air to keep stage control.
In King Dedede vs Mii Gunner, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Mii Gunner’s Neutral Air and Forward Air and take the landing or ledge route before Mii Gunner can reset.
The table shows that Mii Gunner’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 can be answered by King Dedede’s Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), OOS Uair (13f), and OOS Fair (16f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For King Dedede, Mii Gunner’s Neutral Air and Forward Air are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | King Dedede OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 5 | -17 |
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| Jab 2 | 4 | -18 |
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| Jab 3 | 6/12 | -20 |
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| Forward Tilt | 7 | -14 |
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| Up Tilt | 5 | -22 |
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| Down Tilt | 8 | -19 |
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| Dash Attack | 10 | -20 |
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| Forward Smash | 17… | -31 |
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| Up Smash | 11/15/19/23/27 | -22 |
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| Down Smash | 9/23 | -35/-19 |
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| Neutral Air | 8 | -7 |
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| Forward Air | 12 | -1 |
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| Back Air | 9 | -6 |
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| Up Air | 17… | -11/-10 |
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| Down Air | 20 | -12/-13/-12 |
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| Up B (1) | 10 | — | ||
| Up B (2) | 6/10 | ** | ||
| Up B (3) | ** | — | ||
| Grab | 6 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 10 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- King Dedede should not play directly into Mii Gunner’s Neutral Air and Forward Air; wait for Mii Gunner’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 and answer with Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), OOS Uair (13f), and OOS Fair (16f).
- After King Dedede blocks Mii Gunner’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3, pick the reachable option from Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), OOS Uair (13f), and OOS Fair (16f) immediately.
- King Dedede should not mash after Mii Gunner’s Neutral Air and Forward Air; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
- King Dedede should finish stocks by breaking Mii Gunner’s landing and recovery routes so Neutral Air and Forward Air does not get more neutral reps.
Actions to Avoid
- Letting Mii Gunner start the exchange on Neutral Air and Forward Air terms and giving King Dedede’s stage control away for free.
- Having King Dedede block Mii Gunner’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Jab 3 but never answer with Grab (10f), OOS Nair (10f), OOS Uair (13f), and OOS Fair (16f).
- Sending King Dedede too deep after Mii Gunner’s Neutral Air and Forward Air and letting the reset punish the chase back.
- Panicking at the ledge as King Dedede and simplifying Mii Gunner’s Neutral Air and Forward Air-driven advantage sequence.