Sora vs Simon

Simon Matchup (Sora)

Sora vs Simon

Sora vs Simon is most stable when you stop playing directly into Simon's Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt, punish Jab 1 and Jab 2, and take the landing or ledge route first.

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Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)

Sora wants to stop Simon’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher with OOS Fair (9f), OOS Nair (9f), Up B (9f), and Grab (10f), then force Simon back outside Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt to keep stage control.
In Sora vs Simon, the stable plan is to avoid playing directly into Simon’s Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt and take the landing or ledge route before Simon can reset.
The table shows that Simon’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher can be answered by Sora’s OOS Fair (9f), OOS Nair (9f), Up B (9f), and Grab (10f), so those overcommitments should be cashed out immediately.
For Sora, Simon’s Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt are still hard to hit immediately out of shield, so reading the landing spot or ledge route matters more than forcing an early swing.

Full Move Frame Quick Reference

Opponent MoveStartupOn ShieldSora OOS Candidate MovesBarely Missed Moves
Jab 15-21
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Jab 23-23
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Rapid Jab9/12/15…
Rapid Jab Finisher3-37
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Forward Tilt12-8/-7
  • None
  • OOS Fair (+2)
  • OOS Nair (+2)
  • Up B (+2)
  • Grab (+3)
Up Tilt10-17
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (+1)
Down Tilt (1)7-31
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Down Tilt (2)8-42/-28
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Dash Attack10/13/16/19/22/24-26
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Forward Smash24-28/-26
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Up Smash16-27/-26
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Down Smash14/20-33/-30/-27/-24
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Neutral Air8…-12/-11
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (+2)
Forward Air14-6/-5/-8
  • None
Back Air14-6/-5/-8
  • None
Up Air14-6/-5/-8
  • None
Down Air13-21/-23
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (16f)
  • OOS Dair (18f)
Neutral B30-6
  • None
  • OOS Fair (+3)
  • OOS Nair (+3)
  • Up B (+3)
Side B19-15
  • OOS Fair (9f)
  • OOS Nair (9f)
  • Up B (9f)
  • Grab (10f)
  • Up Smash (11f)
  • OOS Uair (13f)
  • OOS Bair (+1)
  • OOS Dair (+3)
Up B6/9/…**
Down B18**
Grab10
Dash Grab13
Pivot Grab14

Win Condition Checklist

  • Sora should not play directly into Simon’s Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt; wait for Simon’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher and answer with OOS Fair (9f), OOS Nair (9f), Up B (9f), and Grab (10f).
  • After Sora blocks Simon’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher, pick the reachable option from OOS Fair (9f), OOS Nair (9f), Up B (9f), and Grab (10f) immediately.
  • Sora should not mash after Simon’s Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt; take the landing route, escape route, or ledge route first.
  • Sora should finish stocks by breaking Simon’s landing and recovery routes so Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt does not get more neutral reps.

Actions to Avoid

  • Letting Simon start the exchange on Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt terms and giving Sora’s stage control away for free.
  • Having Sora block Simon’s Jab 1, Jab 2, and Rapid Jab Finisher but never answer with OOS Fair (9f), OOS Nair (9f), Up B (9f), and Grab (10f).
  • Sending Sora too deep after Simon’s Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt and letting the reset punish the chase back.
  • Panicking at the ledge as Sora and simplifying Simon’s Rapid Jab and Forward Tilt-driven advantage sequence.

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