Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
King Dedede brings massive weight, Gordo, long hammer hitboxes, and strong offstage stalling, but his grounded mobility and close-range speed are still limited enough that R.O.B. can heavily shape the pace if he gets Gyro and Robo Beam established first. Dedede’s punish game is brutal once he gets the hit, yet he usually needs a slower commitment to start it, so R.O.B. does not need to rush the matchup.
The frame table also shows that R.O.B. can punish Jab 1, Jab 2, Rapid Jab Finisher, Forward Tilt, Up Tilt, Down Tilt, Dash Attack, Up Smash, Down Smash, Forward Air, Up Air, Down Air, Side B, Up B, and Down B with OOS Fair (9f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), and Up Smash (10f). Gordo itself is also very manageable with projectiles and lighter hitboxes, so R.O.B. should think beyond simply blocking it and instead use the return path to squeeze both Dedede and the projectile at once.
The win condition is to use Gyro hold plus Robo Beam to stop Dedede’s walk-in timing, then meet the jump or descent with forward air and up air before turning the matchup into a landing trap. Dedede’s neutral air and back air are not always clean in-place shield punishes, so it is more stable to cover the landing or retreat route than to force a punish that may not reach.
For kills, R.O.B. should cash out through ledge Gyro, down throw into Up Smash or up air, and ledge get-up coverage with down smash. Dedede is too durable and too slippery offstage to justify reckless deep chases when stage traps already do the job more consistently.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | R.O.B. OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 10 | -18 |
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| Jab 2 | 11 | -13 |
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| Rapid Jab | 5/8/11… | — | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 4 | -41 |
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| Forward Tilt | 12/16/20/23 | -21 |
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| Up Tilt | 7 | -21/-23 |
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| Down Tilt | 6 | -21 |
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| Dash Attack | 26 | -26 |
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| Forward Smash | 40 | ?/-/-18/-25 |
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| Up Smash | 17 | -39 |
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| Down Smash | 14 | -31/-23 |
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| Neutral Air | 7 | -4/-6 |
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| Forward Air | 13 | -13 |
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| Back Air | 17 | -7 |
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| Up Air | 10/12/14/16/18/20/22/24 | -10 |
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| Down Air | 22 | -13/-14 |
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| Neutral B | 14 | — | ||
| Side B | 29 | -21/-11/-17 |
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| Up B | 69 | -46 |
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| Down B (1) | 10(+17) | -39 to -24 |
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| Down B (2) | 10 | -26 |
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| Grab | 8 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 11 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 12 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Use Gyro and Robo Beam to cover both Dedede’s walk-in timing and Gordo’s return path, then take the first touch with forward air, up air, or grab.
- When Jab 1, Jab 2, Rapid Jab Finisher, Forward Tilt, Up Tilt, Down Tilt, Dash Attack, Up Smash, Down Smash, Forward Air, Up Air, Down Air, Side B, Up B, or Down B hits shield, answer with OOS Fair (9f), Grab (10f), OOS Uair (10f), or Up Smash (10f).
- After shielding neutral air or back air, do not force a punish that may whiff; cover the landing and drift-back route instead to secure the second touch.
- At kill percent, prefer ledge Gyro, down throw into Up Smash or up air, and down smash on ledge get-up rather than overcommitting offstage.
Actions to Avoid
- Freezing just because Gordo is on screen and giving Dedede all the time he wants to walk or jump in behind it.
- Trying to rush the kill from the air against his anti-air power and eating back air or up tilt for it.
- Swinging for a punish after every blocked neutral air or back air even when the move spacing makes it miss.
- Chasing too far offstage and letting Dedede’s extra jumps plus Up B stall turn the edge situation back around.