Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
If Samus stays planted at a fixed midrange and keeps showing full Charge Shot, Cloud can take over the pace with sword range, back air, neutral air, up air, and Limit Charge, then turn one lost center exchange into repeated landing traps and ledge pressure.
The better plan is to use Missiles, low-to-mid Charge Shot, and Bomb first to interrupt dash paths and limit charging, forcing Cloud to jump early or swing preemptively instead of letting him choose spacing on his own terms.
The frame table shows that jab 1-3, forward tilt, up tilt, down tilt, dash attack, every smash attack, neutral B, side B, and down B (2) are all punishable on shield, with Up B (4f) as the default and aerials, grab, or Up Smash available when spacing permits. By contrast, safe back air and shallow neutral air should not be challenged with a huge in-place punish every time; fair, up air, and Bomb on the landing are more stable.
The win condition is not to force entries into sword tip range but to route the game into ledge and recovery pressure, where Cloud’s non-limit recovery is much weaker. Charge Shot, Bomb, fair, and up air at the ledge are more repeatable than overchasing offstage.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Samus OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 4 | -21 |
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| Jab 2 | 5 | -24 |
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| Jab 3 | 6 | -27 |
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| Forward Tilt | 9 | -16 |
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| Up Tilt | 6 | -18 |
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| Down Tilt | 7 | -26 |
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| Dash Attack | 9 | -26 |
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| Forward Smash | 19/24/28 | -29/-30 |
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| Up Smash | 12 | -24 |
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| Down Smash | 8/21 | -38/-20 |
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| Neutral Air | 5 | -5 |
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| Forward Air | 18 | -6/-6/-7 |
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| Back Air | 11 | -3 |
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| Up Air | 8 | -5/-5 |
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| Down Air | 11 | -11/-12 |
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| Neutral B | 18(18) | -25(-33) |
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| Side B | 10 | -25 |
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| Up B | 7/10 | ** | ||
| Down B (1) | — | — | ||
| Down B (2) | 12 (ground) // 14 (air) | -70/-71 |
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| Grab | 9 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 12 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 13 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Use Missiles, low-to-mid Charge Shot, and Bomb to stop dash and Limit Charge before Cloud gets to dictate the pace with sword spacing.
- After blocking jab 1-3, any tilt, dash attack, any smash attack, neutral B, side B, or down B (2), default to Up B (4f), and use OOS up air, OOS fair, grab, or Up Smash when spacing allows.
- Do not force an in-place punish after back air, neutral air, or up air. Cover the drift-back landing and fall path with fair, up air, or Bomb so the second touch becomes the real conversion.
- Once Cloud is offstage, do not overchase. Against non-limit recovery, use ledge Charge Shot, Bomb, fair, and up air to narrow the return path.
- When Limit is active, do not freeze in front of him. Hold center and take the big punish only after the Limit option is blocked or whiffs.
Actions to Avoid
- Charging only for full Charge Shot at sword tip and letting Cloud rotate freely between Limit Charge and preemptive aerials.
- Swinging hard after every blocked back air or shallow neutral air and turning a non-punish into Cloud’s landing trap.
- Continuing to hold ground in place after losing center and letting up air plus back air pin Samus all the way to the ledge.
- Chasing too deep offstage and giving up the ledgetrap that already targets Cloud’s weaker recovery.