Matchup Summary (Win Condition and Game Plan)
Greninja’s speed, low profile, dash attack, down tilt, neutral tools, and Water Shuriken make it easy for him to slip under Zero Suit Samus’s naturally high hitboxes, so shallow spacing quickly turns into long landing traps against ZSS.
At the same time, Greninja’s out-of-shield game is not dominant, and his jab string, tilts, dash attack, smashes, Shadow Sneak, and failed Substitute leaves real punish windows where ZSS can cash out with up B or aerial reversals.
The win condition is to hold a Zair and walking range that still clips Greninja’s crouched movement, get the first launch with neutral air, grab, or anti-air forward air, and then hunt only the landing instead of overchasing everywhere at once.
For kills, it is more repeatable to convert through up B punishes, back air, and ledge Paralyzer confirms than to overcommit to center-stage Flip Jump hard reads.
Full Move Frame Quick Reference
| Opponent Move | Startup | On Shield | Zero Suit Samus OOS Candidate Moves | Barely Missed Moves |
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| Jab 1 | 3 | -15 |
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| Jab 2 | 3 | -15 |
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| Jab 3 | 5 | -26 |
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| Rapid Jab | 5/8/11/14… | — | ||
| Rapid Jab Finisher | 4 | -39 |
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| Forward Tilt | 10 | -14/-14 |
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| Up Tilt | 9 | -18 |
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| Down Tilt | 5 | -12 |
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| Dash Attack | 7 | -13 |
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| Forward Smash | 13 | -26 |
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| Up Smash | 12/18 | -23 |
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| Down Smash | 11 | -29 |
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| Neutral Air | 12 | -2/-4 |
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| Forward Air | 16 | -6 |
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| Back Air | 5/7/11 | -8/-7 |
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| Up Air | 7/10/13/16/19/22 | -12/-12 |
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| Down Air | 17 | -16 |
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| Neutral B | 20—60 | -18 to -13 |
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| Side B | 24(+5) | -29/-28 |
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| Up B | 19 | — | ||
| Down B (1) | 8 (Start of Counter) | — | ||
| Down B (2) | 19 | -33/-32 |
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| Grab | 10 | — | ||
| Dash Grab | 13 | — | ||
| Pivot Grab | 14 | — |
Win Condition Checklist
- Keep Zair and walking ranges that still hit Greninja’s low profile so your first poke does not whiff into dash attack or down tilt.
- Punish jab string, tilts, dash attack, smashes, Shadow Sneak, and failed Substitute with up B or up air, then turn that hit into a landing trap instead of chasing everywhere at once.
- Use kills through up B punishes, back air, and ledge Paralyzer confirms rather than overfunneling the stock into a single Flip Jump read.
Actions to Avoid
- Throwing out high neutral air and forward air placements carelessly and letting Greninja’s crouched movement pass underneath for free.
- Showing Flip Jump too predictably once Water Shuriken and retreating movement start to slow the pace, then jumping straight into prepared back air or up smash coverage.
- Overextending after the first launch and giving up stage control to Hydro Pump or aerial drift reversals that put ZSS at the ledge instead.